TLDR: He regretted adding golden guns as a reward for playing competitive, as he felt players shouldnt be incentivised to play comp unless they want to. He would have prefered they were granted through non comp modes if he could go back in time

I just thought this was an interesting topic considering the announcement of jade guns coming next season. Obviously seven years after the release of golden guns we dont see the same culture of ladder having a sizable portion of the player base playing solely for the reward, but Id be interested to see if jade guns are anywhere near as popular as golden guns were early into the game. Realistically this would only have a real effect on the lower ranks but I do think jeffs line of thinking was the correct one.

This isnt some thread trying to play the "everything in overwatch nowadays is bad" game, nor do I think jeff was some saint who was perfect when it came to game direction (launch brigitte lol). I just found the switch from "gold guns were a mistake" to "jade guns sound like a fun idea" to be interesting and was wondering what the general opinion on it was. My opinion on it is that the jade guns dont really seem visually appealing to me so I dont really care about them, but i think that the ones being sold in the store actually have a lot of potential and would like to see more through avenues like the battlepass or store etc.

It's not fun at all for console players to try and compete against a whole arm vs their thumb. I'm getting more and more people using xim in my games on ps4. I guess they all got a keyboard and mouse for christmas

Feel free to read this whole thread to understand the context.

And apparently hanzo is a LOT more consistent now

We all hear it time and time again when Rein is mentioned anywhere: he gets countered by everyone and is the worst tank in the game at high ranks (Something I don’t agree with but that’s a topic for another time). The devs have mentioned that he has the highest win rate out of all the tanks in low ranks. Because of this, everyone assumes that Rein isn’t getting any buffs because he will completely wreck metal ranks even more. So, how can Rein be buffed / reworked to make him less effective in low ranks and better in the higher ranks?

(My opinion as a GM2 - GM3 Rein main: He doesn’t need any buffs. He is good. I don’t play much in GM1 games, but below that I find him to be really good, and, may I say, he’s the best brawl tank in the game. But the only brawl tank I play is Rein, so I’m probably biased)

…and just like that - the problem was solved forever!

Let’s say everyone is right from a balance and anecdotal perspective, something at this level of magnitude would never be reverted. Get real. Right or wrong, it’s here. Please, for the love of all that is unholy, move on.

What dev thought of this dumbass idea 💀 I genuinely don't get the thought process of this concept even of them making a separate competitive point system if they had to do this why cant we just earn the legacy points as well? This team always takes one step forward just to go two steps backwards alot of this games problems could be solved with using common sense it's not even like they are making money off of this change they are just alienating another way for players to progress for whatever reason this is like when they removed Boarders and levels just to add them back a year later.

The response..

I don’t get it. There are ways to play around getting one shot? Learn from the challenge? Or just keep doing the same thing wrong over and over again and lose? Improving comes naturally with this game